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Well, a cliched question everyone will ask me when I head home this summer. One question that I too have been putting some thought into these days. The options: MS/MBA/Ph.D/Job (Not in order of preference)

I was running through the web, when I came across some interesting notes as well

Notes On The PhD Degree: "When asked why he spent so many hours in the lab, he noted that the alternatives were to go home, where he would do the same things that millions of others were doing, or to work in his lab, where he could discover things that no other human had ever discovered"

Master's or PhD ??
Sumit Gupta
Sept 1999

Note: This article to some extent answers the question, "Where can a Phd take me ?". I realize that having a Phd does not guarantee receiving respect, being listened to, getting a better pay, or an easier rise up the corporate ladder. However, I am trying to show that you can make a lot if not more money with a Phd and still retain many more career options which may be closed or hard to come by with a masters. Also, a PhD is NOT only for people considering a career in academics or research labs. BTW, this article is meant only for computer professionals .. the rest of you can derive your own conclusions. Ofcourse, there are and always will be tons of exceptions to the generalizations made in this article. (For reasons on why to do a Phd, read this article by Douglas Comer: Notes on a Phd Degree)

MS = Start making money fast but have to work harder to rise in a technical organisation. A Phd atleast starts off with being trusted to have the right technical experience/expertise whereas a Masters has to prove him/herself. However, in our industry (and science in general), trust and respect has to be earned. So, both have to keep earning that respect. There are no research academic positions open to a masters and no/few research positions in industry.

PhD = Start making a lot of money but after 5 years. No limits, can go to academics or industry. Can pretty much get any job one wants. However, this is not to say that a masters who works very hard cannot do the same (except research jobs). However, doing a PhD is a personal decision, based more on your philosophy of life. If you just want money, do a Masters -- better still, do a MBA ! :) For those who want a bit more and are inclined to think about the later half of their career, a PhD may prove to be useful.

When it comes time to promote, it comes down to qualifications for 2 almost equal people in terms of expertise. A Phd always starts higher, gets better projects and can *always* stay in the bleeding edge of technology. Also, there are so many people who are getting PhDs nowadays that there is no dearth of PhD applicants for jobs. PhDs are given a benefit of a doubt over Masters when it comes to things like promotion, project assignment etc. That being said, when considering people for projects, managers usually actually look at past experience and reputation. If you have done a "good" PhD, you should be able to maintain a good record and reputation; ofcourse, provided you work hard enough :)

However, again, there is no dearth of startups nowadays, so anybody can get into good projects anyway. But it depends on the kind of work you want to do. A startup usually has a few PhDs and scores of Masters. They do different kind of work, even though, their compensation may be almost at par. Also, ever notice how most successful startups have a PhD as CEO !

The drawback of having a PhD is that sometimes you are over-qualified for jobs such as software engineer et cetera. Also, in bad times, companies may pick MS students fresh out of school rather than pay the higher salaries that are required to hire fresh PhDs.

That being said, a Phd can go anywhere - to industry, academics or start his/her own company. Generally, more respected and with many more contacts, it is easier to be involved in a new tech start-up. A Phd lends more credability when trying to get money from venture capitalists and banks. Also, most of your colleagues from graduate school are either professors or in bleeding-edge technology companies. The other differences are more subtle; often someone with a PhD is more likely to understand new, path-breaking technology faster than someone with a MS -- purely because a lot of the PhD training is geared towards this. However, some of the most technically sound people I have met, do NOT have a PhD. Also, a Phd does not imply that you will gain complete respect and trust for everything you say. Like I said, in the science community, respect *must* be earned.

Now, moving on to the more important things in life; lets talk about money ;) Say, a master's starts at $60,000-80,000, with increase of about 10 % a year (post-internet bust the increments are actually down to 5 %). A Phd starts at atleast $80,000-100,000 in the computer industry.

Money earned taking into account that Phd takes 3 more years than MS:

MS 60,000 * (1.10)^3 + 60,000 * (1.10)^(t+3)
PhD 80,000 * (1.10)^t

So, when you compare two people, one who started working after his/her masters and the other who finished his/her Phd in an additional 3 years, we find that the person with MS is earning about 80,000. So, it turns out that the Phd starts working with atleast as much as the person with MS. Ofcourse, this does not account for lost income in the 3 years.

In terms of stock options, I think this analysis can end up being skewed since a masters can make a lot of money with options in the 3 years that the Phd is still finishing. The Phd however starts off with better options and sign on bonuses. All this assumes that a Masters student will not to join a startup. In general, startups will easily hire a Phd but will look for considerable experience when hiring a Masters. So, all in all, Phds lose out on 3 years or more of money making and living the good life (yeah, right; 9 to 5 job, followed by a frozen dinner and a beer).

This, ofcourse, was an analysis totally from the point of view of money since a lot of naysayers argue that a Phd can not make money and definitely not as much as a MS. However, everyone assumes that PhDs will join academics or a research lab. The fact of the matter is that a large percentage of PhDs join the industry. (As a side-note, if you have work experience, don't even think about a full-time MS; if anything do a part-time Master's.)

After having said all this, I also have to say that doing a Phd is a very personal choice and requires a lot of thinking about what you really want out of life. Earning a lot of money and having a 9 to 5 job with a family to return to, is a relatively easy thing to do in the IT industry. However, having worked in the industry and come back to graduate school, I found that I get a lot of satisfaction out of the research work I do. Startups can be fun but not something you can keep doing for the rest of your life.

What should I do after my undergraduate studies ?
Sumit Gupta

After you finish your undergraduate degree, you should work for a few years, preferably in India, and use this time to decide whether you want to continue there, get a MBA/MS/PhD. Most people who work in India before going abroad are more likely to come back. They are clearer about the ground situation in India and realize that the work situation is not as bad as people/Indians in the US want you to believe. Also, you get to have the satisfaction that you atleast contributed a few years to the brain bank of your country.

In summary , you have to challenge the traditional Indian notion that you must do your undergraduate and graduate studies in one go and get it over with. There *is* a lot of time ! Work experience is a very powerful tool for you to evaluate your life, to realize where you are going and where you want to go and is hugely appreciated when you apply to graduate school and future jobs. Also, remember your parents are out of the 60s-70s and have no idea about the opportunities and new work environments that are available in India. I found the best resource for information, knowledge and guidance about career prospects and life in general were my college professors

Pack it! I still have time !!

Listening to : Matchbox Twenty - 'Unwell'

1 Comment:

  1. chitra said...
    hi, had some free time and realised i hadn't read ur blog in a long time... so here i am...

    ur dilemma is a common on e- am sure u know that - all i can say is that i agree with whoever this SUmit Gupta is - u need to work for a while before u know what u shud do...this whole indian mindset (and it comes from the Vedic concept of Chaturashrama ) that u must finish ur studies before "settling down" doesnt work in the global setting. a years or so on a job (PS doesnt count) will help u look at everything differently...

    what else happening in life?

    hope to catch ya in BLre

    love etc.

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